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		<title>By: orange.</title>
		<link>http://keywords.oxus.net/archives/2005/09/02/ss-deep-dixie/comment-page-1/#comment-2310</link>
		<dc:creator>orange.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me add,

I think we are looking at the same thing. Poverty aka property and racialization issues are tied through history up to the presence. But, I agree that stressing the race issue as a starting point for public discussion is counterproductive in regards of spotlighting present implications, because the reflection resulting from that point is very much &lt;i&gt;prescribed&lt;/i&gt;, as we ve seen in the African Village Case. You won`t succeed in making people (outside your academic peer group) more sensible to the subtile structures and mechanism of racialization processes and their daily  representations by focussing &lt;i&gt;´racism`&lt;/i&gt;, because everyone immediately starts to defend themselves as not being &lt;i&gt;´racist`&lt;/i&gt;.

No further reflection possible then--except among people who anyway already had been aware of ´racialization processes`, you know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me add,</p>
<p>I think we are looking at the same thing. Poverty aka property and racialization issues are tied through history up to the presence. But, I agree that stressing the race issue as a starting point for public discussion is counterproductive in regards of spotlighting present implications, because the reflection resulting from that point is very much <i>prescribed</i>, as we ve seen in the African Village Case. You won`t succeed in making people (outside your academic peer group) more sensible to the subtile structures and mechanism of racialization processes and their daily  representations by focussing <i>´racism`</i>, because everyone immediately starts to defend themselves as not being <i>´racist`</i>.</p>
<p>No further reflection possible then&#8211;except among people who anyway already had been aware of ´racialization processes`, you know?</p>
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		<title>By: orange.</title>
		<link>http://keywords.oxus.net/archives/2005/09/02/ss-deep-dixie/comment-page-1/#comment-2311</link>
		<dc:creator>orange.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 08:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nevermind. It was my lack of precision.

Poverty is a central issue especially to the ones having followed live news and media coverage on tv,

because the information that came out until fifth day after the storm was limited to the representation of the superdromepeople and actually you were shown almost only blacks in there.

When at the sixth and seventh day reports from New Orleans French Quarter appeared on tv, the frequency of coloured people being pictured and giving interviews changed towards zero.

Property is a central issue within the media coverage of Katrina desaster (and this is what I`m talking about, being aware its a representation of things and not things themselves). There were different stages. Until fourth day after the storm over here you were shown exclusively reports from the superdome: suffering, loothing, anarchy and violence. (I second almost all people shown here were afro americans) Lousiana`s governor`s decision to allow shooting at loothers was discussed largely.

Fifth day of report there more and more whites appeared, but such who had not left their houses in fear of loothers and in order to protect their property with their guns.

Then, sixth day, the reporters &quot;discovered&quot; French Quarter. Only whites on the screen here. So you get the impression there don`t live many blacks in that French Quarter, New Orleans. Of course you ask yourself for the reasons and if this is a misrepresentation made by media.

If it is not, in large context theres the property aka poverty issue again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevermind. It was my lack of precision.</p>
<p>Poverty is a central issue especially to the ones having followed live news and media coverage on tv,</p>
<p>because the information that came out until fifth day after the storm was limited to the representation of the superdromepeople and actually you were shown almost only blacks in there.</p>
<p>When at the sixth and seventh day reports from New Orleans French Quarter appeared on tv, the frequency of coloured people being pictured and giving interviews changed towards zero.</p>
<p>Property is a central issue within the media coverage of Katrina desaster (and this is what I`m talking about, being aware its a representation of things and not things themselves). There were different stages. Until fourth day after the storm over here you were shown exclusively reports from the superdome: suffering, loothing, anarchy and violence. (I second almost all people shown here were afro americans) Lousiana`s governor`s decision to allow shooting at loothers was discussed largely.</p>
<p>Fifth day of report there more and more whites appeared, but such who had not left their houses in fear of loothers and in order to protect their property with their guns.</p>
<p>Then, sixth day, the reporters &#8220;discovered&#8221; French Quarter. Only whites on the screen here. So you get the impression there don`t live many blacks in that French Quarter, New Orleans. Of course you ask yourself for the reasons and if this is a misrepresentation made by media.</p>
<p>If it is not, in large context theres the property aka poverty issue again.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orange,



Sorry if I misunderstood your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orange,</p>
<p>Sorry if I misunderstood your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: orange.</title>
		<link>http://keywords.oxus.net/archives/2005/09/02/ss-deep-dixie/comment-page-1/#comment-2313</link>
		<dc:creator>orange.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is a common misperception.&lt;/i&gt;



I don`t think it is a misperception at all concerning this entry`s topic and those people who stayed at the superdome in New Orleans, for these could not leave town but obviously had no reason to stay at their homes.

Anyway, thank you for the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is a common misperception.</i></p>
<p>I don`t think it is a misperception at all concerning this entry`s topic and those people who stayed at the superdome in New Orleans, for these could not leave town but obviously had no reason to stay at their homes.</p>
<p>Anyway, thank you for the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerim</title>
		<link>http://keywords.oxus.net/archives/2005/09/02/ss-deep-dixie/comment-page-1/#comment-2314</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orange,



This is a common misperception. While nonwhites are disproportionately poor in comparison with their numbers, and are more concentrated in urban areas, the fact is that the majority of American&#039;s poor are, in fact, white. Moreover, white non-hispanics are the growing as a percentage of the poor.



The Census numbers are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/poverty04/table4.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; [PDF].



BBC &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/poverty04/table4.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;report&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orange,</p>
<p>This is a common misperception. While nonwhites are disproportionately poor in comparison with their numbers, and are more concentrated in urban areas, the fact is that the majority of American&#8217;s poor are, in fact, white. Moreover, white non-hispanics are the growing as a percentage of the poor.</p>
<p>The Census numbers are <a href="http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/poverty04/table4.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a> [PDF].</p>
<p>BBC <a href="http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/poverty04/table4.pdf" rel="nofollow">report</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: orange.</title>
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		<dc:creator>orange.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2005 07:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me Sirs, I hardly understand the distinction of poverty and race issues with the poor people over there mostly being nonwhites. Probably I`m simplifying too much.  Is it possible to talk about race and society without a synoptic view on living conditions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me Sirs, I hardly understand the distinction of poverty and race issues with the poor people over there mostly being nonwhites. Probably I`m simplifying too much.  Is it possible to talk about race and society without a synoptic view on living conditions?</p>
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		<title>By: T. Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 17:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Kerim. You&#039;re right racism is a problem here, but I&#039;m still worried that the race debate (something that is needed) will overshadow the poverty debate. And I think that if the poverty issues are truely addressed it will not only lead to a greater degree of positive change in this society, but it will also put us in a better place from which to have that long hard look at racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kerim. You&#8217;re right racism is a problem here, but I&#8217;m still worried that the race debate (something that is needed) will overshadow the poverty debate. And I think that if the poverty issues are truely addressed it will not only lead to a greater degree of positive change in this society, but it will also put us in a better place from which to have that long hard look at racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TC, Sorry to see the pictures of your folks house! You are, of course, correct to point out the importance of poverty, and how intertwined these issues are; however, I am not so sure that the state would have been so negligent in attending to the needs of the poor had they been white. More importantly, judging by the reaction, many of the country&#039;s black population see race as &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; crucial factor.



I have argued before that on a whole host of issues, such as education, wealth (not income) is more important than race in determining social status. However, one must not discount the importance of institutionalized racism. For instance, studies have shown that blacks tend not to receive the same levels of medical care for the same illnesses and end up being sick longer. So I find it unlikely that the media is the only source of institutional racism here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TC, Sorry to see the pictures of your folks house! You are, of course, correct to point out the importance of poverty, and how intertwined these issues are; however, I am not so sure that the state would have been so negligent in attending to the needs of the poor had they been white. More importantly, judging by the reaction, many of the country&#8217;s black population see race as <i>the</i> crucial factor.</p>
<p>I have argued before that on a whole host of issues, such as education, wealth (not income) is more important than race in determining social status. However, one must not discount the importance of institutionalized racism. For instance, studies have shown that blacks tend not to receive the same levels of medical care for the same illnesses and end up being sick longer. So I find it unlikely that the media is the only source of institutional racism here.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of national discussions that need to be had in the wake of Katrina, but this issue (race) is one that is going to have to be a carefully parsed. Given the demographics (67% black, 30% below the poverty line) of New Orleans, it is inevitable that issues of race and class are intertwined, and it is easy for the class issues and poverty issues to be lost when the question of race comes up. Racism is a problem here, but the bigger issue is poverty -- the loss of a social safety net in the U.S., the widening economic gap between the haves and have nots, etc. -- and the solutions to racism are different from the poverty/class issues.



Again, I don&#039;t want to make light of concerns about race prejudice in the evacuation of New Orleans, but I really believe poverty and not racism is the bigger issue.



Now if you talk about institutational racism in the media coverage, that&#039;s a whole &#039;nother can of worms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of national discussions that need to be had in the wake of Katrina, but this issue (race) is one that is going to have to be a carefully parsed. Given the demographics (67% black, 30% below the poverty line) of New Orleans, it is inevitable that issues of race and class are intertwined, and it is easy for the class issues and poverty issues to be lost when the question of race comes up. Racism is a problem here, but the bigger issue is poverty &#8212; the loss of a social safety net in the U.S., the widening economic gap between the haves and have nots, etc. &#8212; and the solutions to racism are different from the poverty/class issues.</p>
<p>Again, I don&#8217;t want to make light of concerns about race prejudice in the evacuation of New Orleans, but I really believe poverty and not racism is the bigger issue.</p>
<p>Now if you talk about institutational racism in the media coverage, that&#8217;s a whole &#8216;nother can of worms.</p>
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		<title>By: orange.</title>
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		<dc:creator>orange.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me add a comment on N24 that just passed me by a few minutes ago:

&quot;The people that are suffering most are the poor, the old and the afro-americans.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me add a comment on N24 that just passed me by a few minutes ago:</p>
<p>&#8220;The people that are suffering most are the poor, the old and the afro-americans.&#8221;</p>
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