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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kerim,

I&#039;m a firm advocate of the health care system here in Taiwan.  I&#039;ve received far better health care here in Taiwan than I ever received in Canada.  I finally received my first proper diagnosis after suffering from a chronic ear condition that has resulted in significant hearing loss over the past twenty years.  I have been working with an ENT specialist once a week for the past year, and slowly but surely, my condition is improving.  There&#039;s no way I could have afforded the time or money to pursue this in Canada.  It&#039;s simply impossible.  When I got really sick in April, my family begged me to return home to sick &#039;proper&#039; health care, and to be honest, never once did I doubt the treatment I&#039;m receiving from my doctors here.  

Taiwan&#039;s health care system truly is a system that works for the people.  It&#039;s affordable.  It&#039;s efficient.  Most of the offices I&#039;ve been in have top-notch equipment and doctors who are very capable.  I&#039;ve read that the health care system is suffering, and I truly hope that the government can figure something out to keep it the way it is. I think Western countries could learn a lot from Taiwan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kerim,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a firm advocate of the health care system here in Taiwan.  I&#8217;ve received far better health care here in Taiwan than I ever received in Canada.  I finally received my first proper diagnosis after suffering from a chronic ear condition that has resulted in significant hearing loss over the past twenty years.  I have been working with an ENT specialist once a week for the past year, and slowly but surely, my condition is improving.  There&#8217;s no way I could have afforded the time or money to pursue this in Canada.  It&#8217;s simply impossible.  When I got really sick in April, my family begged me to return home to sick &#8216;proper&#8217; health care, and to be honest, never once did I doubt the treatment I&#8217;m receiving from my doctors here.  </p>
<p>Taiwan&#8217;s health care system truly is a system that works for the people.  It&#8217;s affordable.  It&#8217;s efficient.  Most of the offices I&#8217;ve been in have top-notch equipment and doctors who are very capable.  I&#8217;ve read that the health care system is suffering, and I truly hope that the government can figure something out to keep it the way it is. I think Western countries could learn a lot from Taiwan.</p>
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		<title>By: naruwan</title>
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		<dc:creator>naruwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the fact that in Taiwan you can go see a specialist directly. Even if you show up without an appointment the waiting time is not unreasonable. The problem is that sometimes you have to self-diagnose just to know which department to go to. In my experience GPs in Taiwan are simply no good. They&#039;re really not worth bothering with. 

I am not optimistic about Taiwan&#039;s health care in the future for the simple reason that global budgeting, which came into effect a couple of years ago, severely limits the amount of money hospitals can spend. It&#039;s designed of course to reduce waste, increase efficiency etc, but inevitably it&#039;s going to reduce the quality of patient care, and worsen the problem of  hospitals massaging their figures. Taiwan&#039;s health care system is already in debt and it&#039;s only going to get worse. Still, if I got seriously ill, I&#039;d rather be treated here than in the UK, where the NHS seems to be at the point of collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the fact that in Taiwan you can go see a specialist directly. Even if you show up without an appointment the waiting time is not unreasonable. The problem is that sometimes you have to self-diagnose just to know which department to go to. In my experience GPs in Taiwan are simply no good. They&#8217;re really not worth bothering with. </p>
<p>I am not optimistic about Taiwan&#8217;s health care in the future for the simple reason that global budgeting, which came into effect a couple of years ago, severely limits the amount of money hospitals can spend. It&#8217;s designed of course to reduce waste, increase efficiency etc, but inevitably it&#8217;s going to reduce the quality of patient care, and worsen the problem of  hospitals massaging their figures. Taiwan&#8217;s health care system is already in debt and it&#8217;s only going to get worse. Still, if I got seriously ill, I&#8217;d rather be treated here than in the UK, where the NHS seems to be at the point of collapse.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sommers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Sommers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m sorry if I made it sound like I was saying any of this, and I realize the US system is systematically dysfunctional. But there is a strange kind of dysfunction in a health system that works primarily for its members who are not sick. And in fact encourages those who are not sick to use it while at the same time making it difficult or impossible for the truly sick to make full use.

One of the reasons that Taiwan NHI is so effective is that it is a relatively young system. I don&#039;t have the figures available, but the Taiwan NHI is already running in debt even though universal coverage is a relatively recent innovation.

None of this means that I think Taiwan should move toward a privatized or partially privatized system. But as I keep repeating, much of the system only appears functional because the majority of those using it are not ill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m sorry if I made it sound like I was saying any of this, and I realize the US system is systematically dysfunctional. But there is a strange kind of dysfunction in a health system that works primarily for its members who are not sick. And in fact encourages those who are not sick to use it while at the same time making it difficult or impossible for the truly sick to make full use.</p>
<p>One of the reasons that Taiwan NHI is so effective is that it is a relatively young system. I don&#8217;t have the figures available, but the Taiwan NHI is already running in debt even though universal coverage is a relatively recent innovation.</p>
<p>None of this means that I think Taiwan should move toward a privatized or partially privatized system. But as I keep repeating, much of the system only appears functional because the majority of those using it are not ill.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sommers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Sommers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 12:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry if I made it sound like I was saying any of this, and I realize the US system is systematically dysfunctional. But there is a strange kind of dysfunction in a health system that works primarily for its members who are not sick. And in fact encourages those who are not sick to use it while at the same time making it difficult or impossible for the truly sick to use full use.

One of the reasons that Taiwan NHI is so effective is that it is a relatively young system. I don&#039;t have the figures available Taiwan NHI is running already in debt even though universal coverage is a relatively recent innovation.

None of this means that I think Taiwan should move toward a privatized or partially privatized system. But as I keep repeating, much of the system only appears functional because no one who is truly ill uses it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry if I made it sound like I was saying any of this, and I realize the US system is systematically dysfunctional. But there is a strange kind of dysfunction in a health system that works primarily for its members who are not sick. And in fact encourages those who are not sick to use it while at the same time making it difficult or impossible for the truly sick to use full use.</p>
<p>One of the reasons that Taiwan NHI is so effective is that it is a relatively young system. I don&#8217;t have the figures available Taiwan NHI is running already in debt even though universal coverage is a relatively recent innovation.</p>
<p>None of this means that I think Taiwan should move toward a privatized or partially privatized system. But as I keep repeating, much of the system only appears functional because no one who is truly ill uses it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerim Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerim Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 09:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. The problems with Taiwan&#039;s health care are NOT the result of it being a single-payer system. 

2. The problem in America is much worse than &quot;sick people can’t afford to get treated.&quot; The system is run by the insurance industry whose incentives are to only provide their product to the people who will never need it. They have been very effective at doing this, as the movie makes clear.

3. I think Taiwan&#039;s system actually does pretty well, and you CAN pay a little more for private insurance to supplement the national insurance. In fact, I already do, although my experience so far is that we haven&#039;t really needed it.

This isn&#039;t to say that there aren&#039;t problems with Taiwan&#039;s system - but as I said above, I think a lot of these are endemic to modern Westernized medicine and are not unique to Taiwan. Even in the US I know many people who had to go to 4 or 5 different doctors before they got a correct diagnosis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. The problems with Taiwan&#8217;s health care are NOT the result of it being a single-payer system. </p>
<p>2. The problem in America is much worse than &#8220;sick people can’t afford to get treated.&#8221; The system is run by the insurance industry whose incentives are to only provide their product to the people who will never need it. They have been very effective at doing this, as the movie makes clear.</p>
<p>3. I think Taiwan&#8217;s system actually does pretty well, and you CAN pay a little more for private insurance to supplement the national insurance. In fact, I already do, although my experience so far is that we haven&#8217;t really needed it.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to say that there aren&#8217;t problems with Taiwan&#8217;s system &#8211; but as I said above, I think a lot of these are endemic to modern Westernized medicine and are not unique to Taiwan. Even in the US I know many people who had to go to 4 or 5 different doctors before they got a correct diagnosis.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sommers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Sommers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 06:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little confused by this. I had presumed the purpose of the post was to prompt a discussion of health care. I doubt anyone here questions how frightening access to health can be in the USA. Certainly I don&#039;t. I think the point of most people here is to point out that Taiwan health care seems great as long as nothing is really wrong with you. When it is, you might find that you wish you were payiing a little bit more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little confused by this. I had presumed the purpose of the post was to prompt a discussion of health care. I doubt anyone here questions how frightening access to health can be in the USA. Certainly I don&#8217;t. I think the point of most people here is to point out that Taiwan health care seems great as long as nothing is really wrong with you. When it is, you might find that you wish you were payiing a little bit more.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerim Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerim Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my post: &quot;Few of the people who have said such things to me have actually watched Sicko. If you haven’t, I recommend that you do.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my post: &#8220;Few of the people who have said such things to me have actually watched Sicko. If you haven’t, I recommend that you do.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sommers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Sommers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerim, I can understand that Americans are extremely unhappy with their health care system. It kills people because even though physicians are highly professionalized and powerful treatement available, sick people can&#039;t afford to get treated. As you know, I am not American, but my impression is this creates huge apprehension. Access to health insurance is the topic of American TV shows and is a nagging theme in fictional stories written by Americans. Given this, I can understand why you feel a lot more confidence in the Taiwan system.

As you are seeing here, Taiwanese and long-term residents don&#039;t have the same faith. We all know that doctors mess things up all the time. In addition to not having enough time, they will not refer you to other doctors or better-equipped medical centers when that is clearly what you need. The result of this is that patients shop around for doctors and habitually get multiple consultations on a condition. While you might think this is common sense, it is absolutely necessary here because you simply can&#039;t count on getting proper advice and treatment from a physician.

In addition, the National Health Plan pays for all kinds of folk treatments that have no demonstrated efficacy. Sure all of this makes for patient confidence in the system, but this expanded range of options in combination with high accessibility and physician&#039;s low credibility make the system far more expensive than its cost should warrant. In addition, it is great for that large portion of the patient body who have a condition that will disappear without medical intervention, but if you really have serious medical condition, it&#039;s a big problem. It can take a long time finding a doctor who will take the time to diagnose and treat it properly. And in the meantime, you might die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerim, I can understand that Americans are extremely unhappy with their health care system. It kills people because even though physicians are highly professionalized and powerful treatement available, sick people can&#8217;t afford to get treated. As you know, I am not American, but my impression is this creates huge apprehension. Access to health insurance is the topic of American TV shows and is a nagging theme in fictional stories written by Americans. Given this, I can understand why you feel a lot more confidence in the Taiwan system.</p>
<p>As you are seeing here, Taiwanese and long-term residents don&#8217;t have the same faith. We all know that doctors mess things up all the time. In addition to not having enough time, they will not refer you to other doctors or better-equipped medical centers when that is clearly what you need. The result of this is that patients shop around for doctors and habitually get multiple consultations on a condition. While you might think this is common sense, it is absolutely necessary here because you simply can&#8217;t count on getting proper advice and treatment from a physician.</p>
<p>In addition, the National Health Plan pays for all kinds of folk treatments that have no demonstrated efficacy. Sure all of this makes for patient confidence in the system, but this expanded range of options in combination with high accessibility and physician&#8217;s low credibility make the system far more expensive than its cost should warrant. In addition, it is great for that large portion of the patient body who have a condition that will disappear without medical intervention, but if you really have serious medical condition, it&#8217;s a big problem. It can take a long time finding a doctor who will take the time to diagnose and treat it properly. And in the meantime, you might die.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerim Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerim Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI Shih,

Actually, I think the low cost of medicine in Taiwan encourages preventative medicine. Taiwanese got to see a doctor even if they&#039;ve just had a cold, whereas many Americans don&#039;t see the doctor until it is already an emergency. 

I don&#039;t do medical research so I don&#039;t know about the research on Aborigines and TB. However, I do know that Aborigines are generally poorer and live in under-served regions of Taiwan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI Shih,</p>
<p>Actually, I think the low cost of medicine in Taiwan encourages preventative medicine. Taiwanese got to see a doctor even if they&#8217;ve just had a cold, whereas many Americans don&#8217;t see the doctor until it is already an emergency. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t do medical research so I don&#8217;t know about the research on Aborigines and TB. However, I do know that Aborigines are generally poorer and live in under-served regions of Taiwan.</p>
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		<title>By: HI Shih</title>
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		<dc:creator>HI Shih</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I just noticed that you teach in Don Hua University. I am very curious and hope to know more why aboriginals have much higher  TB prevalence, incidence, and mortality rates. They are higher than other diseases. I think it is a very complicated issues and cannot just use urban and rural disparity to conclude it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I just noticed that you teach in Don Hua University. I am very curious and hope to know more why aboriginals have much higher  TB prevalence, incidence, and mortality rates. They are higher than other diseases. I think it is a very complicated issues and cannot just use urban and rural disparity to conclude it.</p>
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